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Hash: SHA1 Hi, Last week the London Python Code Dojo cat-herders were discussing the possibility of making the lightning talks a permanent feature with the following considerations: * Talks *strictly* limited to 5mins with an additional 2mins for questions. * No more than 3 lightning talks per dojo. * At least one of the talks to be titled "Module of the Month" where someone gives us the skinny on a core module or well known / useful external module. * Lightning talks to be recorded and posted on a ldbpydojo YouTube channel and aggregated via http://pyvideo.org/. We'd want to post the videos under a CC like license (c) whoever the speaker is. Within only a few months we'd have quite a number of short, useful videos on Python given by a diverse number of dojo members. We'd like to know if this idea is a go-er..? N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPZynYAAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6SRAIAIm4/M1rsEyFB7WEkckXWEyJ c6MRRCz/PMsOdML2b4NxMqxp4VAOjf32PVa5WJh6xLoybY9oe+hRB+qivmZrJMTl CQTGrO4Ucm1RfJFKXhN7LBakewdt0BFqC/zwBKcCUBu4U0jQWtqva3KPord3wMoB 6t/EsxowsYHg9ghhV+RNnNaSTqrBTkrI0MzEQXs6ze7rQnZAH3Ntw0Ko2Cfyfk1B RV0GdMjxxYsHtmbC4YK2rqBqSwTFK6F5CQ4Qtv26oy1wsg0HRpc+UucoLsX8tAdk 7FWxJ472zxOVeiZvaWSXiXBum0g5H8nLeupf+y6rrDG1Z4Zj2jqnQSSv89R/P3A= =zhm5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
On 19 March 2012 12:43, Nicholas H.Tollervey <[hidden email]> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > Last week the London Python Code Dojo cat-herders were discussing the > possibility of making the lightning talks a permanent feature with the > following considerations: > > * Talks *strictly* limited to 5mins with an additional 2mins for > questions. > * No more than 3 lightning talks per dojo. > * At least one of the talks to be titled "Module of the Month" where > someone gives us the skinny on a core module or well known / useful > external module. > * Lightning talks to be recorded and posted on a ldbpydojo YouTube > channel and aggregated via http://pyvideo.org/. > > We'd want to post the videos under a CC like license (c) whoever the > speaker is. Within only a few months we'd have quite a number of > short, useful videos on Python given by a diverse number of dojo members. > > We'd like to know if this idea is a go-er..? > > N. Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer available to the presenter. Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these always take more time than you'd imagine. For weeks with fewer than 3 talks, it might be nice to show videos from other events in that time slot(or from other Dojos etc.). _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote:
> Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer > available to the presenter. In the past, someone with a smartphone and a silly noise has played this role. Presumably someone could do this. (My phone won't unless I count to 300 slowly and then ring myself). TJG _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
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On Mar 19, 2012, at 1:17 PM, James Broadhead wrote: > On 19 March 2012 12:43, Nicholas H.Tollervey <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Last week the London Python Code Dojo cat-herders were discussing the >> possibility of making the lightning talks a permanent feature with the >> following considerations: >> >> * Talks *strictly* limited to 5mins with an additional 2mins for >> questions. >> * No more than 3 lightning talks per dojo. >> * At least one of the talks to be titled "Module of the Month" where >> someone gives us the skinny on a core module or well known / useful >> external module. >> * Lightning talks to be recorded and posted on a ldbpydojo YouTube >> channel and aggregated via http://pyvideo.org/. >> >> We'd want to post the videos under a CC like license (c) whoever the >> speaker is. Within only a few months we'd have quite a number of >> short, useful videos on Python given by a diverse number of dojo members. >> >> We'd like to know if this idea is a go-er..? > > Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer > available to the presenter. +1 > Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these always > take more time than you'd imagine. > > For weeks with fewer than 3 talks, it might be nice to show videos > from other events in that time slot(or from other Dojos etc.). > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > [hidden email] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk ---- Rami Chowdhury "A mind all logic is like a knife all blade - it makes the hand bleed that uses it." -- Rabindranath Tagore +44-7581-430-517 _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
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Hash: SHA1 On 19/03/12 13:17, James Broadhead wrote: > Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer > available to the presenter. Absolutely, with appropriate warning placards for the cat-herder to wave at the appropriate moments in time. If people know they only have 5mins then they can rehearse. > Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these > always take more time than you'd imagine. > Quite. Although the odd technical hitch could be edited out. I suppose we could say you only have one life for a technical hitch otherwise we insist you keep to the time. > For weeks with fewer than 3 talks, it might be nice to show videos > from other events in that time slot(or from other Dojos etc.). Good idea... (see the other very interesting thread going on at the moment). N. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPZzL8AAoJEP0qBPaYQbb6kL8H/1PnJdz0smiz1DT0yjKG46Zw 0HZCDbqQkVF8eI1K/Q12TRnYqOg1p+q4cdVTgX/J3wXxmX785YRMEMk7aJtcfNh6 7ZIIcXj4FZoz4bCWApz1F/MRgOQxnBIicJOID+s2iUwXQfVb9anK/gh+93Us8vW5 cZkxcCy9WfZgcQp9vCDd5d071X0Mkr2e8+VVq3MGaC5VxOO/Q8ZXnb0mtqqC6nGy abQh1sJAZiXjSW3829tgAAuEkOkOaXQe/rO+58yiNNOSHfNBMDUvYfPfQEH2rjHo hU8lPkGnG8Q8MBfBIylMUNWnrGyJAeyub3vnwjOvUYIkgLdVo8HoGEJAC5RHq7k= =jI0f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
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On 19 March 2012 13:20, Tim Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote: >> >> Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer >> available to the presenter. > > In the past, someone with a smartphone and a silly noise has > played this role. Presumably someone could do this. (My phone > won't unless I count to 300 slowly and then ring myself). Simple 3-2-1 minute signs held up by someone on the first row seems to work fine usually. It's lovely low-tech and proven to work at Europython and Pycon UK. Regards, Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
+1 on the idea in general
Another colour for the timer bikeshed: http://osjam.appspot.com/timer?
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On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote:
> On 19 March 2012 12:43, Nicholas H.Tollervey<[hidden email]> wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi, >> >> Last week the London Python Code Dojo cat-herders were discussing the >> possibility of making the lightning talks a permanent feature with the >> following considerations: >> >> * Talks *strictly* limited to 5mins with an additional 2mins for >> questions. >> * No more than 3 lightning talks per dojo. >> * At least one of the talks to be titled "Module of the Month" where >> someone gives us the skinny on a core module or well known / useful >> external module. >> * Lightning talks to be recorded and posted on a ldbpydojo YouTube >> channel and aggregated via http://pyvideo.org/. >> >> We'd want to post the videos under a CC like license (c) whoever the >> speaker is. Within only a few months we'd have quite a number of >> short, useful videos on Python given by a diverse number of dojo members. >> >> We'd like to know if this idea is a go-er..? >> >> N. > Definitely a good idea - provided that there's an obvious timer > available to the presenter. > Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these always > take more time than you'd imagine. speakers know they **will** be cut-off in mid-stride if they overrun than attempting to govern duration by the fairly indirect proxy of talk format. > For weeks with fewer than 3 talks, it might be nice to show videos > from other events in that time slot(or from other Dojos etc.). > _______________________________________________ > python-uk mailing list > [hidden email] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk > -- Jonathan Hartley [hidden email] http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
On 19 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Hartley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote: >> >> Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these always >> take more time than you'd imagine. > > But I *like* interactive / live-coding demos! I'd rather make sure the > speakers know they **will** be cut-off in mid-stride if they overrun than > attempting to govern duration by the fairly indirect proxy of talk format. So do I, but in my experience they're the easiest way for the presenter to completely lose track of time. If we were talking about two 7.5 minute talks, yes. For a 5-minute talk though ... I quite liked the semi-interactive (pseudo-interactive?) presentation shell from last time's default argument talk, in that it managed to replace slides with alternating printed code examples and running code (without the presenter touching the keyboard). {Was a link to that shared around?} _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
On 20/03/12 03:16, James Broadhead wrote:
> On 19 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Hartley<[hidden email]> wrote: >> On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these always >>> take more time than you'd imagine. >> >> But I *like* interactive / live-coding demos! I'd rather make sure the >> speakers know they **will** be cut-off in mid-stride if they overrun than >> attempting to govern duration by the fairly indirect proxy of talk format. > > So do I, but in my experience they're the easiest way for the > presenter to completely lose track of time. If we were talking about > two 7.5 minute talks, yes. For a 5-minute talk though ... > > I quite liked the semi-interactive (pseudo-interactive?) presentation > shell from last time's default argument talk, in that it managed to > replace slides with alternating printed code examples and running code > (without the presenter touching the keyboard). {Was a link to that > shared around?} Why place limits? Is there such a glut of speakers that some can be turned-away? (ok, there are some people who become over-enthusiastic about their 'latest' or with an inflated idea of their own import - or that of their arcane subject, but what has been our experience of such within the group?) Obvious comments: - every speaker is a volunteer (treat with respect) - few are skilled at public speaking (help along and offer forgiveness) - most shrink from the idea of standing in-front (encourage not discourage) I too enjoy (and probably learn more from) a well-delivered presentation (eg font size is legible), especially live-demos. However I suggest that just the length of the necessary set-up and break-down times preclude most them from the realm of a 'lightning talk'. Thus it seems reasonable to ask the victim, um, volunteer how long (s)he reasonably needs (and then add for a number of factors - not least the idea that unless practised, most have no idea of 'how long'! Then add for our old friend Murphy and other contingency time!) Accordingly I wouldn't (normally) consider a "demo" as a "lightning talk" - although I do consider demos "valuable contributions". - what is the purpose of a "Lightning Talk"? - is it easier to find ppl who will talk for five minutes or those who can manage 45? - are Lightning talks a valid component of the Dojo format? (listening = theory cf Dojo = practice? - perhaps!) As an organiser of meetings I see Lightning Talks as a way of encouraging someone mindful of the above three "Obvious Comments" - (s)he only has to cover a few points, and quickly. There is no long lead-up, no need to be previously internationally-acclaimed, and no expectation of skilfully-inserted humorous quips or other 'polish'. However this also means that some can be truly dreadful. OTOH as someone who has been trained to 'speak' I have attended talks where I have been cringing (both for myself and for the speaker) and yet some in the audience have become fired-up by the topic and the event has taken on a life of its own. Each to his own! As a speaker, it is a way of showing what I've been doing/learning or something that I have produced recently. As such that makes me a 'student' or a 'producer'. Neither of these terms is a synonym for 'dynamic speaker' (necessarily). Accordingly, I may not be equipped with super whiz-bang presentation tools, and may be relying upon a few scribbled notes and my portable (or indeed, a white-board marker). However I have something to say that may interest my peers - and all for the better if it helps me find someone else who is willing to tinker with my project or to improve my understanding (even a neophyte asking me to explain how I did 'it' is likely to improve my understanding too). The fact remains: some topics (and some people) are BORING and keeping to time/project plans is not something for which techs are famous (add obligatory Douglas Adams quote about deadlines). On the other hand, some presentations generate a huge interest/number of questions from the audience. The task of deciding whether the 'time limit' should be applied falls to the meeting chair-person. This is where the skill (and luck?) should lie - not with the speakers! There are some topics/speakers which are best shut-down early. Some seem to be well-received but only by a narrow sub-section of those present - and thus can be stopped 'for time' but with the promise that they will resume in the pub afterwards... Conversely to stop something that has 'burst into flame', purely on the basis of a fairly arbitrary round-number time-limit, would be a clear negative (IMHO). If people leave the meeting talking about 'that great talk' then the meeting is a ***success*** (as long as those who came to the meeting expecting the advertised content are also leaving satisfied)! Oh yes, chairing a meeting is a juggling act too! Guideline or law? Zero tolerance or sensible management? Encourage contribution or become moribund? -- Regards, =dn _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
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I've just put this on github: https://github.com/inglesp/prescons -- hopefully somebody will find this useful! Let me know if you have any suggestions or find any bugs.
(Also, I've not forgotten that I said I'd write up my lightening talk -- it's still on my TODO list.) _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
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On 19/03/2012 22:15, David Neil wrote:
> On 20/03/12 03:16, James Broadhead wrote: >> On 19 March 2012 14:08, Jonathan Hartley<[hidden email]> wrote: >>> On 19/03/2012 13:17, James Broadhead wrote: >>>> >>>> Perhaps a "no interactive demos" rule would be good, as these always >>>> take more time than you'd imagine. >>> >>> But I *like* interactive / live-coding demos! I'd rather make sure the >>> speakers know they **will** be cut-off in mid-stride if they overrun >>> than >>> attempting to govern duration by the fairly indirect proxy of talk >>> format. >> >> So do I, but in my experience they're the easiest way for the >> presenter to completely lose track of time. If we were talking about >> two 7.5 minute talks, yes. For a 5-minute talk though ... >> >> I quite liked the semi-interactive (pseudo-interactive?) presentation >> shell from last time's default argument talk, in that it managed to >> replace slides with alternating printed code examples and running code >> (without the presenter touching the keyboard). {Was a link to that >> shared around?} > > Why place limits? The primary purpose of the meeting is not the lightning talks, although they are a welcome bonus - but they eat into time for the remainder of the dojo. -- Jonathan Hartley [hidden email] http://tartley.com Made of meat. +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley _______________________________________________ python-uk mailing list [hidden email] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk |
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