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Dave C-9
Hi
I'd most definately attend, sounds great.
Cheers

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Today's Topics:

  1. Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any       interest?
     (Harry Percival)
  2. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any
     interest? (Andy Robinson)
  3. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any
     interest? (Bruce Durling)
  4. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any
     interest? (Harry Percival)
  5. Re: Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" - any
     interest? (Cal Paterson)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:26:23 +0100
From: Harry Percival <[hidden email]>
To: UK Python Users <[hidden email]>
Subject: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium" -
       any     interest?
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Hi-ho python peeps,

Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven
Django development, with Selenium?

I've been working on a tutorial on the topic (<
https://github.com/hjwp/Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial> *) . I'm not claiming
to be a massive expert, but it's what I've learned at work over the last
year or so, so it's fresh in my mind... I'm pretty sure I could get a couple
of (ex?) colleagues to help present...

Would be aimed at beginners / people who don't know Selenium / people who
want to learn Django the "right" way / people who want to learn TDD... If
you already know Django and Selenium back to front, it would probably be of
less interest, although there may be some interesting discussions around
integrating the Django test runner, WebDriver vs Selenium-RC etc...

So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?  London
area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted...

HP

* work in progress!  for example, the .jar file really isn't necessary...

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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:36:18 +0100
From: Andy Robinson <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email], UK Python Users <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium"
       - any   interest?
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On 13 October 2011 17:26, Harry Percival <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi-ho python peeps,
>
> Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven
> Django development, with Selenium?
>
> So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? London
> area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted...


This could be highly relevant for us and of my clients.  Possibly 5
people from us if the timing is right.

Regrettably we don't have physical space for it right now (and are way
outside the centre of London)



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Andy Robinson
ReportLab


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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:37:43 +0100
From: Bruce Durling <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email], UK Python Users <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium"
       - any   interest?
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Harry,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi-ho python peeps,
>
> Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of test-driven
> Django development, with Selenium?

That sounds like a great idea.

> So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?? London
> area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted...

I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a
start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will
it be free or will you charge?

There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on
numbers and what you have planned.

cheers,
Bruce


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:11:37 +0100
From: Harry Percival <[hidden email]>
To: Bruce Durling <[hidden email]>, Andy Robinson <[hidden email]>
Cc: UK Python Users <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium"
       - any   interest?
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Hey Andy, Bruce,

Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that!  No, I think I'd be very
happy to do it for free...  Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all I'll
demand some compensation ;-)

In terms of timing, I'm really not sure yet. My objective would be to try
and track the django tutorial, which involves the admin site, 3 simple views
and a couple of forms...  I'll have to think through how it would all
work...  if it was a workshop, maybe I'd have a repo with some pre-prepared
branches everyone can pull from, and work through together as we add bits of
code, before moving onto the next one...

How much time do you guys think people could stand?  We'd need a proper
break if it was any longer than 1.5 hours... And any longer than 3 hours
would probably be too much...

testing topics I'd want to cover:
- an automated FT runner
- keep production and test data separate
- selenium API:  find_elements_by_id, find_element_by_css_selector, etc etc
- unit tests and the django test runner
- the django (unit) test client
- mocking
- why test, anyway? and what to test?

django topics I'd want to cover:
- manage.py commands: startproject, startapp, syncdb, runserver, loaddata
- the admin site
- models
- views
- templates
- forms

nice-to-haves:
- javascript
- transactions
- south

lots for me to think about!  Do you guys think anything is missing?


hp









On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Durling <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Harry,
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > Hi-ho python peeps,
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of
> test-driven
> > Django development, with Selenium?
>
> That sounds like a great idea.
>
> > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?
> London
> > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted...
>
> I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a
> start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will
> it be free or will you charge?
>
> There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on
> numbers and what you have planned.
>
> cheers,
> Bruce
>



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:17:10 +0100
From: Cal Paterson <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email], UK Python Users <[hidden email]>
Cc: Andy Robinson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [python-uk] Dojo / workshop on "TDD Django with Selenium"
       - any   interest?
Message-ID:
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Hey Harry,

I'm also interested in this, depending on where you decide to run it :)

Cal

On 13 October 2011 18:11, Harry Percival <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hey Andy, Bruce,
>
> Wow, charging for it, hadn't even thought of that!? No, I think I'd be very
> happy to do it for free...? Maybe when I get a bit more bored of it all I'll
> demand some compensation ;-)
>
> In terms of timing, I'm really not sure yet. My objective would be to try
> and track the django tutorial, which involves the admin site, 3 simple views
> and a couple of forms...? I'll have to think through how it would all
> work...? if it was a workshop, maybe I'd have a repo with some pre-prepared
> branches everyone can pull from, and work through together as we add bits of
> code, before moving onto the next one...
>
> How much time do you guys think people could stand?? We'd need a proper
> break if it was any longer than 1.5 hours... And any longer than 3 hours
> would probably be too much...
>
> testing topics I'd want to cover:
> - an automated FT runner
> - keep production and test data separate
> - selenium API:? find_elements_by_id, find_element_by_css_selector, etc etc
> - unit tests and the django test runner
> - the django (unit) test client
> - mocking
> - why test, anyway? and what to test?
>
> django topics I'd want to cover:
> - manage.py commands: startproject, startapp, syncdb, runserver, loaddata
> - the admin site
> - models

> - views
> - templates
> - forms
>
> nice-to-haves:
> - javascript
> - transactions
> - south
>
> lots for me to think about!? Do you guys think anything is missing?
>

>
> hp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Bruce Durling <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Harry,
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 17:26, Harry Percival <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi-ho python peeps,
>> >
>> > Would anyone be interested in a dojo / worksop on the topic of
>> > test-driven
>> > Django development, with Selenium?
>>
>> That sounds like a great idea.
>>
>> > So, trying to get an idea of numbers - would anyone be interested?
>> > London
>> > area, venue suggestions also gratefully accepted...
>>
>> I think you'd get very good turnout for this (I'd be interested for a
>> start). How long did you think it would last (1-2hrs or longer)? Will
>> it be free or will you charge?
>>
>> There are a number of venues in London that could host depending on
>> numbers and what you have planned.
>>

>> cheers,
>> Bruce
>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------
> Harry J.W. Percival
> ------------------------------
> Mobile:? <a href="tel:%2B44%20%280%29%2078877%2002511" value="+447887702511">+44 (0) 78877 02511
> Skype:? ? ? ?? harry.percival
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